# SPECIAL SERIES ==> How to Use Clicks to Win at Segmentation <== | BATHROOM Break #104 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

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Podcast: [Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson](https://stenobird.com/podcast/do-this-not-that-marketing-tips-with-jay-schwedelson-6571740)
Published: 2026-04-20T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://jayschwedelson.com/dtnt-615-bb-104
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## Resource

Most marketers glance at their click data and move on. But Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray think that's a massive missed opportunity hiding in plain sight. This Bathroom Break gets into the underrated power of click-through segmentation, bot inflation you probably don't know you have, and why your unsubscribe link might be quietly wrecking your metrics. Oh, and Jay gave up caffeine seven weeks ago. Chamomile tea era, officially. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (03:00) Why your click data is worth way more than you're treating it (04:00) How to build retargeting audiences from email clicks for almost nothing (06:45) The two or three in the morning trick that reveals your real click-through rate (07:40) Using an invisible link above the fold to catch bot clicks before they skew your data (08:26) The surprisingly common mistake of counting unsubscribe clicks in your CTR (08:45) Why filtering clicks by ICP before retargeting makes everything sharper ㅤ Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in…

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