# The Canadian Unicorn Who Stayed

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Podcast: [Disruptors](https://stenobird.com/podcast/disruptors-897695)
Published: 2026-05-26T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/rbc-disruptors/
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## Resource

Canada has a scaleup problem. We create entrepreneurs, but too many of them feel they need to leave to build world-class companies. Fred Lalonde is one of the exceptions. He is the founder and CEO of Hopper, the Canadian travel-tech company that used data, prediction and fintech to help travellers book with more confidence. Now Lalonde is bringing that same ambition to Deep Sky, a Canadian carbon removal company. In this episode of Disruptors, recorded in front of a live audience, John Stackhouse speaks with Fred about what it takes to build and scale from Canada - and why the country needs more founders willing and able to do it here. Fred is funny and blunt, but underneath it all is a builder's clarity: disruption is not something he manages. It is something he assumes.

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