# DT #642 Big Ideas, Bold Leadership with Mark C. Perna

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Podcast: [Develop This: Economic and Community Development](https://stenobird.com/podcast/develop-this-economic-and-community-development-11879)
Published: 2026-05-06T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://developthis.libsyn.com/dt-642-big-ideas-bold-leadership-with-mark-c-perna
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## Resource

In this inspiring episode of Develop This! , host Dennis Fraise sits down with Mark C. Perna to explore the power of bold thinking, visionary leadership, and rallying people around big ideas. Drawing on their shared fascination with the Apollo program, they unpack how the audacity of aiming for the moon transformed not just science—but an entire generation's mindset. From the iconic leadership behind the Apollo 11 Moon Landing to the forward-looking ambitions of the Artemis Program, this conversation connects the dots between space exploration and the work economic developers do every day: building momentum, inspiring communities, and executing bold visions. Mark and Dennis reflect on cultural touchpoints, childhood wonder, and even the small details—yes, including Tang—that made space exploration feel personal and powerful. If you're working to energize your community, align stakeholders, or inspire the next generation, this episode offers a compelling reminder: big progress starts with big ideas. Takeaway The moon landing wasn't just a technological achievement—it was a masterclass in leadership, collaboration, and belief. For today's economic and community developers, the lesson is clear: when you set bold goals and invite others into the vision, you create momentum that can move mountains… or even reach the moon.

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