# Anti-Zionism: A Jewish History (Interview with Benjamin Moser) | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Podcast: [DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas](https://stenobird.com/podcast/deprogram-with-ted-rall-and-jamarl-thomas-7404375)
Published: 2026-09-22T14:28:12+00:00
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Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. 00:14 Show Open: Ben Moser Interview and Today's Headlines 02:29 Herzl, Colonialism, and the Early Zionist Project 12:48 Religion Versus Ethnicity and Jews in the Muslim World 19:31 Fear, Victimhood, and Why Zionism Feels Like a Prison 28:17 Can Israel Survive Isolation and the South Africa Parallel 35:36 Hebron, Apartheid Comparisons, and Stopping the Violence 45:54 Interview Recap: Zionism Versus Judaism 50:21 Gulf Reconstruction Money and the Belarus Potash Story Today we discuss: • Join us for a live interview with Pulitzer Prize winner Benjamin Moser for an enlightening conversation about “Anti-Zionism: A Jewish History,” his new book. Moser traces a long, buried lineage of Jewish rabbis, artists, lawyers, journalists, and activists who opposed Zionism on religious, ethical, and political grounds—and paid for it with exile, censorship, and worse. He argues that anti-Zionism is not a synonym for antisemitism but a Jewish tradition older than the state it critiques, one that warned against a nationalist project built on exclusion. We’ll discuss Zionism founder Theodor Herzl, the myth of consensus, and what this hidden history means now. • US taxpayers have spent $44 billion to attack Iran, are sending $3 billion more to Israel for bombs, and now the WSJ reports that Trump wants to send $5 billion to oil-rich Gulf states to repair the infrastructure damaged in the US/Israeli war against Iran. • Belarus’s leader Alexander Lukashenko says that there are no available volumes of fertilizer to send to the U.S. This comes after Trump announced that he was working on a “ massive Deal” to buy potash from Minsk at a steep discount amid…

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