# #168. The Power of Followers to Restrain Toxic Leaders

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Podcast: [Delving In with Stuart Kelter](https://stenobird.com/podcast/delving-in-with-stuart-kelter-5848973)
Published: 2025-09-22T13:15:00+00:00
Episode link: https://delving-in.captivate.fm
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## Resource

Ira Chaleff is past President of Executive Coaching & Consulting Associates and award-winning author of several books, including  The Courageous Follower: Standing Up to and for Our Leaders , published in 2009;  Intelligent Disobedience: Doing Right When What You're Told to Do Is Wrong , published in 2015;  Intelligent Disobedience for Children: A Handbook for Parents and Other Caregivers , published in 2018;  To Stop a Tyrant: The Power of Political Followers to Make or Brake a Toxic Leader , published in 2024, and in a completely different genre, a collection of original poems about aging,  Falling Apart Into Wholeness , published in 2020. Ira has conducted workshops on Leader-Follower relations for a wide range of organizations, including multinational corporations and governmental agencies. He served as Executive Director, as well as Chair of the Board, of The Congressional Management Foundation, a non-partisan, non-profit group that provides management research, training and consulting for the U.S. Congress. Recorded 9/16/25.

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