# Should You Phish Your Employees or Not?

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Podcast: [Defense in Depth](https://stenobird.com/podcast/defense-in-depth-427616)
Published: 2026-02-26T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

All links and images can be found on CISO Series . This week's episode is co-hosted by me, David Spark , the producer of CISO Series , and Edward Contreras , senior evp and CISO, Frost Bank . Joining us is Mark Eggleston , CISO, CSC . In this episode: Breaking trust to test it Technical controls over testing The measurement imperative Fire drills, not gotchas Huge thanks to our sponsor, Scanner All your security logs end up in cloud storage like AWS S3. Scanner makes them searchable in seconds and runs real-time detections directly on that data. No pipelines, no re-ingestion. 100x faster than traditional data lakes, 10x cheaper than SIEMs. Loved by analysts. Built for AI agents. Learn more at scanner.dev .

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