# What Apple’s OpenAI lawsuit is really about Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/decoder-with-nilay-patel/what-apple-s-openai-lawsuit-is-really-about Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/decoder-with-nilay-patel/what-apple-s-openai-lawsuit-is-really-about.md Podcast: [Decoder with Nilay Patel](https://stenobird.com/podcast/decoder-with-nilay-patel) Published: 2026-07-23T09:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP8735488557.mp3 Audio file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/257/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP8735488557.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/decoder-with-nilay-patel/episodes/what-apple-s-openai-lawsuit-is-really-about Duration seconds: 2645 ## Resource Today, I’m talking with Hayden Field, The Verge’s senior AI reporter, about the major trade secrets lawsuit between Apple and OpenAI, and what this tells us about OpenAI’s future.  Hayden has been covering OpenAI for years now, and she also just talked to a bunch of lawyers who specialize in intellectual property and trade secret law to get a sense of how serious this case is. The answer is not entirely positive for OpenAI. This legal battle could also affect OpenAI’s hardware plans, its forthcoming IPO, and its already-damaged reputation.  Read the full interview transcript on The Verge. Links:  Sam Altman didn’t need another lawsuit | The Verge OpenAI’s first device will be moveable, screenless speaker | Bloomberg Apple sues OpenAI for allegedly stealing hardware secrets | The Verge The 6 wildest claims in Apple’s lawsuit against OpenAI | The Verge OpenAI is buying Jony Ive’s AI hardware company | The Verge Subscribe to The Verge to access the ad-free version of Decoder! Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.  The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/decoder-with-nilay-patel/episodes/what-apple-s-openai-lawsuit-is-really-about/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/decoder-with-nilay-patel/what-apple-s-openai-lawsuit-is-really-about.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.