# Want to ‘Optimize’ Your Happiness? This Happiness Expert Says: Don’t.

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Podcast: [Deborah Lebree's podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/deborah-lebree-s-podcast-7041113)
Published: 2026-05-30T10:00:00+00:00
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