# "Something that in normal times would be scandalous"

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Podcast: [Deadline: White House](https://stenobird.com/podcast/deadline-white-house-483901)
Published: 2026-06-24T23:45:36+00:00
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## Resource

June 24, 2026; 4pm: Nicolle Wallace on a new book by New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan -- full of carefully reported accounts of Donald Trump pushing or ignoring norms and boundaries... as those in his orbit do nothing to resist his worst impulses.

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