# E8: Side Effect of 7th and Pine; S7: No Trauma Zone?

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Podcast: [Danger, Vicious Dog](https://stenobird.com/podcast/danger-vicious-dog-7683978)
Published: 2026-06-17T14:18:32+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/testtubebaby/episodes/E8-Side-Effect-of-7th-and-Pine-S7-No-Trauma-Zone-e3ktqfo
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This may be the first episode I’ve ever made that contains no trauma. None. No childhood trauma. No political trauma. No societal trauma. No trauma involving sexuality. No trauma involving addiction. No trauma involving religion. No trauma involving genocide. No trauma involving the collapse of meaning. No trauma involving being gay in the 1980s. Actually, wait. There is a story about being gay in the 1980s. But that’s not trauma. It’s just a story about meeting a friend when I was a senior in high school and he was a freshman. And then staying friends for nearly forty years. And then making songs together. That’s all. No trauma. There is also a song that includes the line: Because I have died But songs say all kinds of things. No trauma. And there is another song that argues that language may have accidentally produced thought as a side effect. Which, depending on your disposition, may sound either fascinating or deeply alarming. But not traumatic. Certainly not traumatic. There is also some discussion of discomfort. But if you’ve listened to this podcast before, you know I’ve spent a lot of time trying to move discomfort out of the category of “problem” and into the category of “thing.” Just another thing that happens. Like comfort. Or friendship. Or music. Or spending an evening combining guitar doodles from 2022 with lyrics from 2025 using software that didn’t exist when the friendship began. Nothing traumatic about that. Probably. The truth is that this episode mostly consists of me talking for a while and then playing two songs. One of them keeps declining opportunities to become profound. The other wonders whether language accidentally created the conditions for humanity to become obsessed with proving things. Neither one appears particularly interested in hurti…

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