# What's Running The Show? Henry Cloud and Owen O'Kane on Strategy & Anxiety

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Podcast: [Daily Creative with Todd Henry](https://stenobird.com/podcast/daily-creative-with-todd-henry-745412)
Published: 2026-05-05T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcast.toddhenry.com/108
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## Resource

In this episode, we examine what really drives our actions as leaders and creators, and why our best intentions often fail to deliver results. We open with the image of a child learning to walk—stumbling and falling, while well-meaning parents instinctively rush to protect. That same inner protection mechanism stays with us into adulthood, quietly shaping our creative work and leadership decisions. First, we hear from Dr. Henry Cloud, author of Your Desired Future , who distills decades of executive coaching into five elements that must be present for any vision to materialize: vision, talent, strategy, plan, and accountability. Miss any one, and you’re not simply delayed—you’ve hit a ceiling. The challenge is not knowing the framework, but having the awareness and discipline to apply it, especially to the places where we’re weakest. Then, Owen O' Kane, author of Addicted To Anxiety , unpacks how our anxiety isn't just random noise—it’s a legacy self-defense system that can sabotage us in moments that require creativity and clarity. He challenges us to stop fighting anxiety and instead learn to negotiate with it, ultimately turning anxiety from a saboteur into an overlooked strategic resource. We end with a practical challenge: Identify a stuck place in your leadership or creative work, question the patterns running the show, and listen—rather than silence—whatever anxiety or protective instinct bubbles up. Awareness is always the first step to genuine change. Five Key Learnings from the Episode The cost of overprotection: Well-intentioned interventions (like catching a falling baby) can hinder true growth; adults unconsciously repeat this pattern, avoiding short-term discomfort at the expense of long-term development. The universal pattern of achievement: Every realiz…

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