# What if You’re Not Who You Think You Are? (with John Mark McMillan)

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Podcast: [Dad Tired](https://stenobird.com/podcast/dad-tired-589874)
Published: 2026-05-26T07:00:00+00:00
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Important Links: Today's Sponsor: Heavenly Heat Saunas Dad Tired Annual Retreat Host A Dad Tired Conference at your church Join the FREE Family Leadership Program Shop the Dad Tired store for best-selling gear What if the life you’ve built to survive is keeping you from the life God actually made you for? In this episode, Jerrad sits down with songwriter, worship leader, recording artist, and author John Mark McMillan, best known for writing “How He Loves.” Together, they talk about identity, family, creativity, contemplation, and what it looks like to peel back the layers of survival to rediscover the person God created you to be. John Mark shares about nearly quitting music, moving toward writing, raising teenagers, finding beauty in ordinary family life, and learning to create from a place of honesty instead of performance. The conversation also explores how distraction, phones, addiction, and the noise of modern life are shaping our souls, and how the church might become one of the last places where people can truly be present together. This is a deep, honest conversation for any man who feels tired, distracted, unsure of who he is, or hungry for a more meaningful life with God and his family. Important Links: Today's Sponsor: Heavenly Heat Saunas Dad Tired Annual Retreat Host A Dad Tired Conference at your church Join the FREE Family Leadership Program Shop the Dad Tired store for best-selling gear

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