# Adoption: Knut Svanholm | Everything Divided By 21 Million | Episode 10 of 12

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Podcast: [Cypherpunk’d](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cypherpunk-d-7048189)
Published: 2026-01-21T21:02:56+00:00
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## Resource

In Episode 10 of our Everything Divided by 21 Million series, I sit down with Knut Svanholm to talk about Bitcoin adoption—and why he says “Bitcoin is not for everyone. It’s for anyone.” We get into what that distinction really means, the responsibility of taking control of your keys, why proper on-chain Bitcoin will probably be for the few, and how scaling pushes adoption into layers (second layer + custodial vs. true self-sovereignty). Knut also lays out the big macro view: the “snowball effect,” fiat hyperinflation in Bitcoin terms, and why he believes a crash is inevitable—with Bitcoin as the lifeboat. We also touch on S-curve vs J-curve adoption, scarcity (96% mined), network effects (Metcalfe’s Law), and what individuals can do to move adoption forward by leading through example. Guest: Knut Svanholm — author of Everything Divided by 21 Million Series: Episode 10 (Adoption) Subscribe for Episode 11.

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