# Courses, Clicks and Consequences: Empiricizing Enterprise Security

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Podcast: [Cybercrimeology](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cybercrimeology-850766)
Published: 2025-11-01T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

We speak with Dr Grant Ho from the University of Chicago about a large-scale field evaluation of anti-phishing training inside a major health organisation. The conversation examines annual awareness training, embedded “teach-at-click” exercises, and the role that engagement plays in any observed benefit. We also discuss how to measure programme value realistically and why careful experimental design matters when organizations make investment decisions.

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