# “Progress” Is Making Things Worse (w/ Sam Miller McDonald)

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Podcast: [Current Affairs](https://stenobird.com/podcast/current-affairs-1140771)
Published: 2026-05-05T23:36:11+00:00
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## Resource

Sam Miller McDonald is a writer and longtime Current Affairs contributor. He joins Nathan Robinson to discuss his new book Progress: How One Idea Built Civilization—and Now Threatens to Destroy It, a sweeping critique of the belief that history is a story of constant improvement.

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