# Learning to Live with Uncertainty with Dr. Cali Werner

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Podcast: [Curiously with Ericka Graham](https://stenobird.com/podcast/curiously-with-ericka-graham-6477170)
Published: 2026-06-04T06:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode of Curiously, Ericka sits with Dr. Cali Werner for an honest conversation about OCD, anxiety, uncertainty, and what healing can actually look like. Together, they explore the difference between managing symptoms and finding freedom, how intrusive thoughts and perfectionism can quietly shape our lives, and why healing is often less about eliminating anxiety and more about learning how to live alongside it. Dr. Cali shares from both her clinical experience and personal journey with OCD, reflecting on therapy, motherhood, faith, and the long process of learning not to let fear make decisions.

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