# S5: From What If They're Wrong: The Justice Who Won't Let Go

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Podcast: [Crimes of the Centuries](https://stenobird.com/podcast/crimes-of-the-centuries-1330689)
Published: 2026-01-30T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://audioboom.com/posts/8850685
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Duration seconds: 3055

## Resource

From Amber's other podcast, titled What If They're Wrong? After the Accusation: After charges against former death row inmate Elwood Jones were dismissed, Ohio Supreme Court Justice Joe Deters—the former prosecutor who originally secured Jones’ conviction—went on talk radio insisting Jones was still guilty. The next day, phone records show Justice Deters had a 10-minute call with his former colleague, Hamilton County Coroner Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco. Four days later, the coroner announced false forensic evidence about the victim—evidence that collapsed within 24 hours. Through phone logs, text messages, and public records obtained exclusively for this investigation, this episode reveals the coordination between a sitting justice, former prosecutors and county officials after the case was supposed to be closed. What If They're Wrong? After The Accusation is published early and ad-free for subscribers over at www.grabbagcollab.com .

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