# Ep. 65 – Dealing with Perfectionism with M.J. Schwartz

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Published: 2026-06-19T13:50:00+00:00
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M.J. Schwartz explores how to meet perfectionism with mindfulness and heal the cultural messages that keep us striving for impossible standards. Help us celebrate 10 years of Be Here Now Network and support the next chapter of Ram Dass Here and Now. Gifts are matched dollar for dollar through June 30. Learn more and give here: BHNN 10th Birthday Fundraiser In this episode, David and M.J. chat about: M.J.’s introduction to mindfulness and meditation How mindfulness was incorporated into M.J.’s work as a doula and midwife Learning how to wisely deal with perfectionism  Healthy striving versus tethering our identity to a certain result How childhood parentification can lead to adult perfectionism  Other-oriented perfectionism and criticizing those who do not meet our expectations  Picking up perfectionism from the world around us Perfectionism’s role in eating disorders and the obsession with body size in our culture Synchronizing the mind and body Join Dharma Moon’s for their Body of Meditation Training or learn about The Business of Teaching Meditation About M.J. Schwartz: M.J. Schwartz is the founder of Studio138 Family Yoga and Mindfulness. Having started practicing yoga and mindfulness at age twelve, M.J. is passionate about sharing these modalities with families of all stages and configurations. As a parent and grandparent themselves, they understand the nuances of a practice that evolves alongside life's many changes. M.J. holds a B.A. in psychology from Smith College, where they studied perfectionism with a leading researcher in the field, along with certifications in mindfulness, yoga, and Intuitive Eating. Before returning to school in midlife, they worked as a doula, childbirth educator, and midwife, and continue to teach pregnancy and postpartum…

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