# 2402: The 54-Year Spreadsheet: Real Estate Truths and Economic History with Michael Zuber

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Published: 2026-03-18T17:00:00+00:00
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This 2026, be an Empowered Investor! Join us at the Empowered Investor Live this May! Get your tickets today! https://empoweredinvestorlive.com/ Jason welcomes economist and author Michael Zuber as he discusses his "54-year spreadsheet," a comprehensive data project designed to analyze historical economic trends and real estate performance since 1970. By comparing the high-interest-rate environment of the Paul Volcker era to modern conditions, Zuber argues that rising rates typically lead to a crash in transaction volume rather than a collapse in home prices. The discussion highlights how leveraged appreciation makes residential real estate a superior wealth-building tool compared to the stock market. Zuber specifically critiques "doomer" content creators for using flawed metrics that ignore mortgage affordability, causing many people to miss out on significant equity gains. Ultimately, the source serves as a data-driven defense of income property investment and a warning against following pessimistic financial advice that lacks historical context. Download the spreadsheet here https://onerentalatatime.com/downloads/ #OneRentalAtATime #RealEstateInvesting #MichaelZuber #HousingMarket #EconomicHistory #InterestRates #Inflation #WealthBuilding #FinancialIndependence #MortgageRates #HousingInventory #MarketAnalysis #RealEstateTrends #InvestmentStrategy #PassiveIncome #Leverage #Macroeconomics #PropertyAppreciation #Affordability #EconomicOutlook Key Takeaways: 0:00 By the time Trump's term is over 4:19 Those are 2 different things 7:53 Be an Empowered Investor https://empoweredinvestorlive.com/ Join us https://mastermindyachtadventures.com/ Michael Zuber interview 9:28 The lead up to the 54 year spreadsheet 16:10 History of numbers 27:59 The crash that happened 32:53 A gr…

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