# Kraken's Mayur Gupta on Creating Value When Product Isn’t Enough

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Podcast: [Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing with Seth Matlins](https://stenobird.com/podcast/create-or-destroy-reimagining-marketing-with-seth-matlins-7854347)
Published: 2026-06-23T10:01:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 3128

## Resource

Mayur Gupta is an engineer who spent eight years writing code before he ever touched marketing, and that beginning shapes everything about how he thinks about value. Across 26 years at Spotify, Kimberly Clark, Gannett, and now as Chief Growth and Marketing Officer at Kraken, he's lived the same inflection point repeatedly, the moment a product-led company that grew to enormous scale without traditional marketing finds growth slowing and has to build a function the enterprise never needed before, justify the spend to people who have evidence they can grow without it, and prove that every dollar creates value on top of what would have happened anyway. In this episode, Mayur and Seth dive into how everyone in an organization owns the brand, why growth and marketing are never separate functions to begin with, and how to stop your company from destroying value the moment your product-led momentum hits a wall.  NOTE: The book Seth mentioned during the interview is "Baked In: Creating Products and Businesses That Market Themselves" by Alex Bogusky and John Winsor. Create or Destroy: Reimagining Marketing with Seth Matlins is produced by Wisdomous and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Follow the podcast on Instagram / TikTok: @createordestroypod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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