# #1154 Debating Confession with Gavin Ortlund and Ruslan - Trent Horn

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Podcast: [Counsel of Trent](https://stenobird.com/podcast/counsel-of-trent-512442)
Published: 2026-04-22T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Did the early Church really believe confession was made directly to God alone—or is there biblical and historical evidence for confession through the Church’s ministers? In this episode, Trent responds to objections raised in his exchange with Ruslan and Gavin Ortlund and unpacks the Catholic case for sacramental confession.

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