# #1152 FFAF: Talking to Ben Shapiro About Pope Leo XIV - Trent Horn

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Podcast: [Counsel of Trent](https://stenobird.com/podcast/counsel-of-trent-512442)
Published: 2026-04-17T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

When can Catholics rightly criticize the Pope — and when does that cross a line? In this clip from The Ben Shapiro Show, Ben Shapiro and Trent Horn discuss papal infallibility, prudential judgments, and the difference between disagreeing respectfully and dismissing the Holy Father outright. They also get into media bias, selective outrage from both left and right, Pope Francis, Pope Leo, and how Catholics should think about papal comments on politics, war, and public policy.

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