# 317 - Power Isn't the Problem—It's How We Use It with Francine Proulx-Kenzle

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Published: 2026-05-06T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What if power isn't something to avoid—but something to learn? Francine Proulx-Kenzle and Sarah Buino explore sociocracy, personal power, burnout, and how early childhood experiences shape the way we show up in systems. I'm going to say something that might make a few therapists squirm: power is not the enemy. And yet… so many of us act like it is. In this conversation with Francine Proulx-Kenzle, I kept coming back to a core truth that I think we—especially in the therapy world—need to hear again and again: power simply exists. What matters is how we relate to it. Key takeaways from this episode: Power isn't something you have or don't have—it's something you learn to use Avoiding power often leads to recreating the same harmful dynamics Burnout is often a sign of disconnection from your own needs and agency Systems like sociocracy show us what shared, humane power can look like Healing isn't about becoming perfect—it's about staying in relationship with your humanity If there's one thing I want you to take from this conversation, it's this: you don't have to reject power to be a good person. You just have to learn how to use it differently. And that work starts with you. Join The Therapist Network and receive 20% off your subscription tier when you enter the code SARAHROCKS. Join the waitlist for the next Authentic Leaders Group! This is a journey of self-discovery and leadership mastery, where you'll not only enhance your leadership skills but also forge meaningful connections with fellow therapists who are committed to their own growth and the betterment of the therapy field. Apply now! Thank you to The Therapist Network for sponsoring the show! The Therapist Network is a global community built by and for therapists. You'll find live consult groups, an ever-growing…

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