# Do Dope. Then Hope. ft. Dr. Carl Hart | Conversate with Killer Mike ep. 52

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Published: 2026-07-15T02:42:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 6616

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Columbia University neuroscientist, psychologist, and bestselling author Dr. Carl Hart joins Killer Mike, Bear, and Moetown Lee for a conversation that challenges assumptions and encourages critical thinking. Drawing from more than three decades of research, Dr. Hart discusses the relationship between science, public policy, personal freedom, and the way society forms opinions about some of today's most debated issues. Killer Mike reflects on growing up in Atlanta during the height of the War on Drugs, sharing personal stories about family, addiction, and the experiences that shaped his perspective. Together, the group explores how history, race, education, media, and public policy have influenced the national conversation, while examining what happens when evidence challenges long held beliefs. Rather than offering simple answers, this episode embraces complexity. It is an honest discussion about constitutional rights, personal responsibility, bodily autonomy, neuroscience, criminal justice, and the value of questioning conventional wisdom. Whether you agree with every viewpoint or not, the conversation is a reminder that meaningful dialogue begins with a willingness to listen, think critically, and engage with ideas on their merits. If you're looking for thoughtful conversations that go beyond headlines and talking points, this episode delivers exactly what Conversate is known for. Subscribe for more long form discussions featuring influential voices from music, politics, business, culture, and beyond. Conversate with Killer Mike is a Third Story Media production. biz: ConversatewithKillerMike@rightclick.gg Subscribe to Conversate with Killer Mike on YouTube Conversate with Killer Mike on IG Conversate with Killer Mike on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visi…

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