# Ep. 42 - The Org Chart is Killing Innovation With Charles Ma

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Podcast: [Construction Conversations](https://stenobird.com/podcast/construction-conversations-6912327)
Published: 2026-04-14T16:45:25+00:00
Episode link: https://constructionconversations.podbean.com/e/bootstrapped-built-how-scoreboard-is-bringing-ai-to-construction/
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## Resource

In this episode, Stephen Poppe, Charles Ma, and Lars discuss the challenges and strategies of building a SaaS company in the construction industry. Charles shares his journey of bootstrapping "Scoreboard," emphasizing the importance of maintaining control and flexibility without heavy reliance on external funding. The conversation delves into the complexities of the construction field, the need for innovation, and the balance between traditional methods and new technologies. They also explore the dynamics of tech adoption in construction, the role of leadership, and the future of decentralized command in project management. Today's Guest: Charles MaCheck Him Out on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesma518/ Episode Sponsors: Check Out Trunk Tools: https://trunktools.com/ Check Out ClearStory: https://www.clearstory.build/

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