# Understanding government procurement, with Luke Farrell

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Podcast: [Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)](https://stenobird.com/podcast/complex-systems-with-patrick-mckenzie-patio11-6944962)
Published: 2026-02-26T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: http://www.complexsystemspodcast.com/understanding-government-procurement-with-luke-farrell/
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Patrick McKenzie (patio11) and Luke Farrell examine the structural "technical imagination" gap that prevents the US government from delivering high-fidelity digital services. They discuss why states routinely pay full price 29 times for the same buggy codebase, why failure is the default outcome, and why rooms full of government administrators cannot muster the expertise to say a two line code change should be trivial. They also discuss Luke’s work on the "means testing industrial complex,” why the government redundantly pays a private vendor to do a SQL query for information the IRS already knows, and what vendors would say about their own discontents. – Full transcript available here: http://www.complexsystemspodcast.com/understanding-government-procurement-with-luke-farrell/ – Presenting Sponsors: Mercury & Framer If you have more interesting hobbies than managing your money, Mercury Personal is built for you. It allows you to automate movement between accounts—allocating paychecks and tax prep the moment they hit—with a sensible permissions model for partners or accountants. It works the way tech people expect banking to work. Go to mercury.com/personal to experience banking built by the same folks Patrick trusts for his business. Mercury is a fintech company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group and Column N.A., Members FDIC. Building and maintaining marketing websites shouldn’t slow down your engineers. Framer gives design and marketing teams an all-in-one platform to ship landing pages, microsites, or full site redesigns instantly—without engineering bottlenecks. Get 30% off Framer Pro at framer.com/complexsystems . – Links: Luke Farrell's Substack: https://donmoynihan.substack.com/ Luke Farrell, The Means-Testin…

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