# You Can't Know What You Don't Know: DBT, Queer Joy, and Coming Out at Any Age with Dr. Kiki Fehling

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Podcast: [Coming Out & Beyond | Support for Women Questioning Their Sexuality](https://stenobird.com/podcast/coming-out-beyond-support-for-women-questioning-their-sexuality-3916256)
Published: 2026-04-24T04:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://annemariezanzal.com/coming-out-stories-beyond-podcast/
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