# 80: Counseling Freedom at SCOTUS: CHANGED Movement Reacts to Chiles v. Salazar Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839/80-counseling-freedom-at-scotus-changed-movement-reacts-to-chiles-v-salazar Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839/80-counseling-freedom-at-scotus-changed-movement-reacts-to-chiles-v-salazar.md Podcast: [Coffee, Culture, and the Capitol](https://stenobird.com/podcast/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839) Published: 2025-10-07T16:00:00+00:00 Episode link: http://CaliforniaFamily.org Audio file: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/021d53a2-577e-49bc-932c-5f198382764c.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839/episodes/80-counseling-freedom-at-scotus-changed-movement-reacts-to-chiles-v-salazar Duration seconds: 1609 ## Resource CFC’s Greg Burt speaks with Elizabeth Woning, Ken Williams, and Isaac Beck from the CHANGED Movement minutes after leaving the U.S. Supreme Court in Chiles v. Salazar—a pivotal case about counseling freedom and whether states can ban licensed talk therapy that helps minors pursue a biblically faithful view of sexuality and identity. From the gallery, our guests describe even-handed questioning from the Justices, sharp pushback on viewpoint discrimination, and concern that Colorado’s law steers every struggling teen only toward an LGBTQ outcome. They also unpack weaknesses in the “harm” studies often cited to justify bans—lumping abusive practices with voluntary talk therapy and relying on biased self-reporting—while highlighting the need for genuine research and real options for families of faith. Highlights:     •    What today’s arguments revealed about free speech, medical regulation, and viewpoint neutrality     •    Why minors who want help aligning feelings with faith deserve access to voluntary counseling     •    The difference between past abusive practices and ordinary talk therapy     •    How churches can be equipped to walk with people compassionately and truthfully     •    CHANGED Movement’s free “Navigating LGBTQ” training resource for Christians and pastors (see: ChangedMovement.com) Pray with us for a ruling that protects speech, conscience, and the right of families to seek help consistent with their faith. Chapters: 0:00 Intro & who is CHANGED 2:05 Inside the courtroom: first impressions 7:10 Is this speech or medicine? 12:45 The “harm” studies—what… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839/episodes/80-counseling-freedom-at-scotus-changed-movement-reacts-to-chiles-v-salazar/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/coffee-culture-and-the-capitol-6377839/80-counseling-freedom-at-scotus-changed-movement-reacts-to-chiles-v-salazar.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.