# 304 - Abstraction and Consciousness with Christian Genco

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Published: 2026-01-14T02:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode I talk with Christian Jenko for round two. We explore abstraction as the most important idea in software, Michael Singer's philosophy on consciousness and thoughts, whether AI can become conscious, and how our mental abstractions shape what we see in reality. Links: Designing Object-Oriented Software by Rebecca Wirfs-BrockThe Surrender Experiment by Michael A. SingerThe Untethered Soul by Michael A. SingerLiving Untethered by Michael A. SingerI Am a Strange Loop by Douglas Hof...

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