# 300 - TDD and AI with Paul Hammond

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Published: 2026-01-02T01:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode I talk with Paul Hammond about TDD as a discoverable principle—something alien programmers would independently arrive at. We discuss my "specify, encode, fulfill" formulation, why programming needs theory instead of rules of thumb, and the business payoff of technical quality: Paul returned to a well-built project after 18 months and delivered months of planned work before Christmas. Links: ScenaristNonsense Monthly

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