# Ingenuity Over Spend: Transforming Legal Ops from the Inside Out

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Published: 2025-09-11T07:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Big changes don’t always require big budgets. In this episode, An Trotter, Senior Director of Operations at Hearst, joins hosts Jeremiah Kincannon and Janessa Nelson to share how legal teams can make impactful improvements by maximizing internal resources. From deploying e-signatures at no extra cost to building an in-house CLE program with creative solutions, An breaks down the strategies that help legal ops thrive without overspending. The conversation explores flexibility, creativity, and the power of taking calculated risks, plus the role of strong relationships in driving change. An also brings insights from her background in dance where discipline and adaptability are key to success. If you’re looking for ways to transform legal operations on a budget, this episode is packed with inspiration. Thank you to our 2025 CLOC Global Institute CLOC Talk sponsor, DeepL.

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