# Episode 4: Science vs. Power with Dr. Jules de Waart (Part 2)

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Podcast: [Climate Debrief](https://stenobird.com/podcast/climate-debrief-7743994)
Published: 2026-03-11T16:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/co2cclimatedebriefpodcast/episodes/2026-03-11T09_00_00-07_00
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Duration seconds: 1318

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Join Angela Wheeler and former Dutch Parliamentarian and Geologist Jules de Waart as they discuss the growing divide between independent scientists and major scientific institutions in the climate debate, arguing that decisions are often driven more by power and authority than by evidence and open scientific argument. He reflects on why large numbers of dissenting or skeptical scientists struggle to be heard, and how institutional pressure shapes official climate narratives. Follow us on social media! X: x.com/CO2Coalition Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@CO2Coalition Website: co2coalition.org/ Facebook: facebook.com/TheCO2Coalition/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theco2coalition/

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