# How to trade hope for courage, with Paul Hawken

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Podcast: [Climate Curious](https://stenobird.com/podcast/climate-curious-3335844)
Published: 2026-03-20T06:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

“Grief is a blessing, a guide; it's us being our best self when we feel grief,” says climate OG Paul Hawken on Climate Curious. With the rise of global conflict, Climate Curious co-hosts Ben Hurst and Maryam Pasha turn to environmental juggernaut Paul Hawken for a much needed pep talk. He shares tips for navigating the modern media landscape, how grief can help us tap into ideas and solutions, and why he likes to focus on courage over hope. Join the Climate Curious conversation on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/climatecuriouspod/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@climatecuriouspod YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtF6xzNkVIczlDmVcH8FCMA LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/10996041/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TEDxLondon Website: https://tedxlondon.com/podcast/ All other links: https://linktr.ee/climatecuriouspod   Created by TEDxLondon Executive produced by Josie Colter Produced by Ben Beheshty Curated by Deesha Chandra Hosted by Maryam Pasha and Ben Hurst Communications by Tara Cooper and Issey Gladston Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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