# Using Dungeons and Dragons to Become a Better Litigator

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Podcast: [CLEs You Actually Want to Hear](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cles-you-actually-want-to-hear-7072333)
Published: 2026-09-11T14:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

The skills of a successful litigator share significant overlap with those of a successful Dungeons and Dragons player. Knowing the rules, Developing plans, reading the room, adapting strategy when a plan collapses, and persuading others to follow your lead are as central to litigation as they are to a night of Dungeons and Dragons. This program uses the mechanics and storytelling of the game to teach practical litigation skills, from case theory and narrative construction to negotiation, improvisation under pressure, and managing competing personalities. Derrick Carman, Certum Group, draws on both worlds to show how strategic thinking at the table translates directly to the courtroom. Attendees will leave with a way of thinking about their cases as well as strategies for sharpening preparation, persuasion, and adaptability in their own practice. Audio versions of Beverly Hills Bar Association programs are eligible for Self-Study CLE credit in California. Visit www.bhba.org/podcasts for more information.

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