# 31: Embracing the discomfort of change with Anne Bonney Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/clear-the-air-6093986/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/clear-the-air-6093986/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney.md Podcast: [Clear the air](https://stenobird.com/podcast/clear-the-air-6093986) Published: 2025-04-30T04:57:17+00:00 Episode link: https://www.spreaker.com/episode/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney--65801372 Audio file: https://api.spreaker.com/download/episode/65801372/cta_episode_35_anne_bonney_audio.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/clear-the-air-6093986/episodes/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney Duration seconds: 3574 ## Resource Change is inevitable and universal. Whether you’re moving countries, going through a breakup, experiencing a restructure at work, or living with grief, one thing is for certain: making big leaps can be daunting and anxiety-inducing if we aren’t ready to face them. However, it’s also important to recognise that change can also be huge opportunity to bring positivity into our lives, alongside hope, new experiences, and personal growth. In this episode, we are joined by change leadership expert Anne Bonney, who will share with us how we can embrace the discomfort of change and push through towards bigger and brighter opportunities. Anne Bonney is a two-time author and host of the hit podcast Dancing in the Discomfort Zone, to help overwhelmed professionals build resilience in the discomfort of change. After 20 years of crushing it in corporate and nonprofit leadership positions, she now uses her hard-earned experience in the workplace and fiery passion to help leaders tackle tough conversations, and lead with emotional intelligence. In this episode, we dive deep into answering the following thorny questions. 0:00 - Intro 01:55 - Anne’s journey to becoming a champion for change 03:15 - Why do we find change uncomfortable? 04:00 - How do we override our risk-adverseness to change 05:25 - How do you develop confidence to try something new 07:45 - How do you shift from a pessimistic to an optimistic mindset 10:55 - How to use gratitude as a tool for working through our discomfort to change 12:40 - What are the 4 pillars to becoming mentally tough 14:55 - What are the common characteristics of resilient people 17:30 - How do you work through the sunk cost fallacy 19:35 - What is the 3 step process to manage change when it happens to you rather than when you initiated it 25:03… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/clear-the-air-6093986/episodes/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/clear-the-air-6093986/31-embracing-the-discomfort-of-change-with-anne-bonney.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.