# (Almost) Effortless Mindfulness for Effortful Skeptics: A Savory Same-Taste Sandwich | Loch Kelly

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Podcast: [Clear Mountain Monastery Project](https://stenobird.com/podcast/clear-mountain-monastery-project-3695945)
Published: 2026-05-13T17:20:24+00:00
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In this session, Ajahn Kovilo and Ajahn Nisabho interview Loch Kelly - meditation teacher, author, and founder of the Effortless Mindfulness Institute (https://lochkelly.org/).00:00:00 Introduction to Loch Kelly00:02:14 Introduction to Effortless Mindfulness for Theravāda Listeners00:12:14 Mapping Effortless Mindfulness to Samādhi and the Unborn00:14:12 Resonance of Loch's Teachings with the Theravāda Tradition00:19:40 Defining "Glimpses" and "Local Awareness"00:27:35 Experiencing a Glimpse: What is the Nature of this Awareness?00:29:03 Understanding the Capabilities of Local Awareness00:30:08 Loch’s Personal Experience and the "Clear Light" of Rigpa00:32:00 Determining the Relationship Between Awareness and the Deathless00:39:06 Navigating the Conflict Between Dualistic and Non-Dualistic Teachings00:45:52 Demonstrating a Second Skillful Glimpse00:50:08 Distinguishing Types of Awareness: Attention vs. Mindful Awareness00:53:11 Shifting the Location of Identity and the Mindful Witness00:56:58 Identifying the Detours: Spiritual Bypassing, Psychological Overpassing, Cognitive Underpassing01:02:40 Guiding the Seven Steps: Unhook, Drop, Open, See, Include, Know and Let Be01:04:41 Implementing Effortless Mindfulness for Different Personalities01:11:53 Paradoxes in Buddhism: Mundane vs. Super-Mundane Right View01:15:12 Applying Mindfulness Tools to Deep Suffering and Trauma01:25:19 Helping Students "Unstuck" from the Mindful Witness Position01:28:30 Integrating Flow Consciousness into Everyday Life01:32:11 Risks and Ethics of Sharing Direct Pointing InstructionsLoch Kelly's Biography:Loch Kelly is a meditation teacher, psychotherapist, and is the founder of the non-profit Effortless Mindfulness Institute. A graduate of Columbia University and Union Theological, he has, since…

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