# The Called to Flourish Podcast - You Can't Build External Trust on Internal Instability — Dr. Rob McKenna, WiLD Leaders

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Podcast: [CLATV Outcomes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/clatv-outcomes-7124275)
Published: 2026-06-01T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Trust problems rarely begin with strategy. More often, they begin with fear, self-protection, and leaders trying to create stability externally while struggling internally. In this episode, Dr. Rob McKenna —CEO of WiLD Leaders and bestselling author of Whole Leaders, Wild Trust —shares why trust grows through honesty, vulnerability, and truth-telling rather than perfection. He explains how internal formation shapes team trust, why self-protection quietly destroys cultures, and what leaders can do to build environments where people feel safe enough to tell the truth. You'll gain insight into: • why trust begins with personal formation before organizational transformation • how self-protection quietly erodes team trust • the three questions employees are silently asking every day • why high-trust teams confront reality faster Subscribe to Called to Flourish and share this conversation with a fellow leader. Access full show notes, resources, and transcript at: https://workplaces.org/podcast/you-cant-build-external-trust-on-internal-instability

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