# Keys Without People — John Heasman on Cleaning Up Non-Human Access - John Heasman - CSP #220

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Published: 2026-01-12T17:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Title: Keys Without People" — John Heasman on Cleaning Up Non-Human Access Summary: John breaks today's non-human identity mess into three buckets: core tools your business runs on, old/one-off integrations that linger, and engineer tokens left behind. His playbook is simple: decide what's truly critical, assign a clear owner, keep access minimal, and review it on a schedule. With AI spawning even more "non-human users," basics done well—prioritize, tighten, rotate, repeat—win the day. This segment is sponsored by Saviynt. Visit https://cisostoriespodcast.com/saviynt to learn more about them! Visit https://cisostoriespodcast.com for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://cisostoriespodcast.com/csp-220

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