# Obstacle Illusions: With Guests Daniella McCahey & Tom Gilovich

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Podcast: [Choiceology with Katy Milkman](https://stenobird.com/podcast/choiceology-with-katy-milkman-577140)
Published: 2025-04-21T06:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

We're wired to interpret our challenges as bigger than our advantages, even if the reality is more balanced.

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