# CCATP #815 — Bart Busschots Clarifies VPNs and iCloud Private Relay

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Podcast: [Chit Chat Across the Pond](https://stenobird.com/podcast/chit-chat-across-the-pond-951494)
Published: 2025-06-08T22:41:47+00:00
Episode link: https://www.podfeet.com/blog/2025/06/ccatp-815
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## Resource

On Chit Chat Across the Pond #814 , Adam Engst and I discussed the results of a VPN survey he conducted with the TidBITS subscribers. From there, we got into a discussion where Adam challenged the common wisdom that we need a VPN when we're on public WiFi networks. We got a bit mired in some of the discussion, where we almost had enough knowledge to explain our positions. Networking is a topic on which Bart has a depth of knowledge, and he's here to clarify some of the things we talked about. The recording you're about to hear was created for the Security Bits segment on NosillaCast #1048, but I felt it was important for the Chit Chat Across the Pond audience to hear it as a follow-up to our discussion with Adam. Read an unedited, auto-generated transcript with chapter marks: CCATP_2025_06_08 Referral Links: Setapp - 1 month free for you and me Parallels Toolbox - 3 months free for you and me Learn through MacSparky Field Guides - 15% off for you and me Backblaze - One free month for me and you Eufy - $40 for me if you spend $200. Sadly nothing in it for you. PIA VPN - One month added to Paid Accounts for both of us CleanShot X - Earns me $25%, sorry nothing in it for you but my gratitude

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