# The Hopeful Moment

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Podcast: [Cheap Talk](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cheap-talk-6049769)
Published: 2025-10-09T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.jkaplow.net/cheaptalk/2025/10/9/the-hopeful-moment
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## Resource

Francis Fukuyama joins Cheap Talk to discuss the rise of authoritarianism; Europe’s security environment; the risk of AI catastrophe; signs of hope for democratic resilience; and Marcus has a lot of respect for centenarians Francis Fukuyama is the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies (FSI). He has written widely on issues in development and international politics. His books include The End of History and the Last Man (1992), The Origins of Political Order (2011), Political Order and Political Decay (2014), Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment (2018), and Liberalism and Its Discontents (2022). The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely our own and do not reflect the policies or positions of William & Mary. Please subscribe to Cheap Talk on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or your podcast player of choice to be notified when new episodes are posted. Check out our online store at https://cheaptalk.shop . Further Reading: Francis Fukuyama. 1989. “The End of History?” The National Interest 16: 3–18. See all Cheap Talk episodes

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