# Bradford Cross on Alpha Cities & Treating Government as a Product

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Podcast: [Charter Cities Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/charter-cities-podcast-434725)
Published: 2025-12-11T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.chartercitiesinstitute.org/
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## Resource

In Episode 79, Mark Lutter sits down with serial AI founder and investor Bradford Cross, now CEO of Alpha Cities, to explore what happens when a Silicon Valley systems thinker takes on the world’s most complex product: government. Bradford argues that government should be treated as a product—one that often performs poorly, iterates slowly, and lacks the discipline of customer-centric design. Drawing from two decades of building and exiting AI companies (including powering LinkedIn’s newsfeed, deploying AI in big banks, and pioneering early machine-learning startups), he explains why governance is the ultimate systems challenge. They dig into how the Silicon Valley playbook must be adapted—not imported—to work with sovereign states; why autonomy without integration (as seen in Honduras’ ZEDEs) is a dead end; how Alpha Cities structures zone laws, joint ventures, and regulatory sandboxes; and why the capital stack for new cities must move from friendly tech capital → industry anchors → sovereign wealth. Bradford also shares a candid look at the overwhelming operational reality of building cities from scratch—and why the US should view charter cities as the private-sector alternative to China’s Belt and Road.

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