# The One Tactical Model That Could End the Iran War (Special Ops Intel Officer Jonathan Hackett)

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Published: 2026-07-08T21:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

On this week's episode of Change Agents, Andy Stumpf welcomes Jonathan Hackett to unpack the escalating conflict between the U.S. and Iran. He is a retired U.S. Marine Corps interrogator, counterintelligence agent, and special operations intelligence officer who ran assignments for the NSA, DIA, and Special Operations Command, and is the author of Iran: Shadow Weapons, Covert Action, Intelligence Operations, and Unconventional Warfare. Co-host the podcast Eyes on Geopolitics:  @EyesOnGeopoliticsPod  Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original. Chapters (00:01:33) Explaining Iran in one sentence (00:09:04) Mirror imaging the regime (00:14:28) The experience gap at the negotiating table (00:19:02) A broken decision-making process (00:27:29) Losing our intelligence assets in Iran (00:32:12) Where the nuclear program really stands (00:39:41) Why an executive agreement won't hold (00:50:08) The truth about Iranian sleeper cells (00:59:36) What Americans get wrong about Iran Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ Kubota Tractor Corporation: https://www.youtube.com/user/Kubotatractorcorp Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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