# INSIDE the REAL Flock Camera Network Controversy (Benn Jordan)

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Podcast: [Change Agents with Andy Stumpf](https://stenobird.com/podcast/change-agents-with-andy-stumpf-6206375)
Published: 2026-08-26T21:07:00+00:00
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## Resource

Today’s guest is Benn Jordan. He is a science and technology expert whose YouTube investigations into Flock cameras and their security flaws have garnered millions of views. You can check out his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@UCshObcm-nLhbu8MY50EZ5Ng Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Chapters(00:00) – Cold Open (01:21) – Benn's Flock Camera Investigations (09:07) – Flock vs. the Fourth Amendment (12:06) – Flock's Business Model & First Contract (17:15) – The Danger of Unchecked Surveillance (20:06) – Can Civilians Actually Fight This? (27:42) – Crashing Flock's Private Convention (31:06) – Flock's Legal Threats vs. Researchers (39:37) – How the Cameras Actually Work (43:32) – Live Hacking Demo: Proving It's Not Encrypted (45:54) – The Dunwoody Scandal (48:40) – The Legal Case Against Flock (49:41) – Dark Web Data & the FTC Investigation (53:23) – Congress' Response (56:28) – The Threat to Gun Owners & Foreign Adversaries (59:29) – The Chinese Backdoor Discovery (1:02:59) – What People Can Actually Do (1:05:42) – Closing Message: Privacy as a Human Right Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/change-agents-with-andy-stumpf/id1677415740 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3SKmtN55V2AGbzHDo34DHI?si=5aefbba9abc844ed Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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