# Challenger Cities EP90: It Only Sounds Mad Because We Think Small with Shiv Malik

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Podcast: [Challenger Cities](https://stenobird.com/podcast/challenger-cities-6959558)
Published: 2026-06-29T10:34:00+00:00
Episode link: https://rss.com/podcasts/challengercitytoronto/2949490
Audio file: https://content.rss.com/episodes/278784/2949490/challengercitytoronto/2026_06_29_01_32_30_d9426a9b-bf43-4558-85f8-5dbcf6448ae0.mp3
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Duration seconds: 3843

## Resource

This is an episode about a big, ambitious idea. Which is why people are quick to label it as crazy. But Britain, like many developed nations has a housing crisis. The country simply doesn't build enough good homes for the people who want to live there, and incremental approaches are going to solve for it. So along comes Shiv Malik, a journalist by trade, with an idea for a new city, not too far from Cambridge, becoming a place one million people will call home. Naturally, he's had a lot of scrutiny, but he's steadily winning people over. This conversation explores where the idea came from. why it's needed, the biggest challenges, and the reasons to believe something like this could actually happen. One of an incoming Prime Minister to consider perhaps!?

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