# Stop Token Maxxing: Find Where AI Actually Pays Off | Jiaona Zhang

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Podcast: [Chain of Thought | AI Agents, Infrastructure & Engineering](https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents)
Published: 2026-06-25T10:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/81534de0
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## Resource

Jiaona Zhang is CPO at Laurel and has built products at Airbnb, Dropbox, Webflow, and Linktree. She explains how to measure where AI actually returns time, why most 'use AI everywhere' mandates push teams to token max, and how Laurel lets anyone from customer success to design ship features end to end. Chain of Thought is hosted by Conor Bronsdon.

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