# Explaining Eval Engineering | Galileo's Vikram Chatterji

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Podcast: [Chain of Thought | AI Agents, Infrastructure & Engineering](https://stenobird.com/podcast/chain-of-thought-ai-agents)
Published: 2025-12-19T10:00:00+00:00
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You've heard of evaluations—but eval engineering is the difference between AI that ships and AI that's stuck in prototype.Most teams still treat evals like unit tests: write them once, check a box, move on. But when you're deploying agents that make real decisions, touch real customers, and cost real money, those one-time tests don't cut it. The companies actually shipping production AI at scale have figured out something different—they've turned evaluations into infrastructure, into IP, into the layer where domain expertise becomes executable governance.Vikram Chatterji, CEO and Co-founder of Galileo, returns to Chain of Thought to break down eval engineering: what it is, why it's becoming a dedicated discipline, and what it takes to actually make it work. Vikram shares why generic evals are plateauing, how continuous learning loops drive accuracy, and why he predicts "eval engineer" will become as common a role as "prompt engineer" once was.In this conversation, Conor and Vikram explore:Why treating evals as infrastructure—not checkboxes—separates production AI from prototypesThe plateau problem: why generic LLM-as-a-judge metrics can't break 90% accuracyHow continuous human feedback loops improve eval precision over timeThe emerging "eval engineer" role and what the job actually looks likeWhy 60-70% of AI engineers' time is already spent on evalsWhat multi-agent systems mean for the future of evaluationVikram's framework for baking trust AND control into agentic applicationsPlus: Conor shares news about his move to Modular and what it means for Chain of Thought going forward.Chapters:00:00 – Introduction: Why Evals Are Becoming IP01:37 – What Is Eval Engineering?04:24 – The Eval Engineering Course for Developers05:24 – Generic Evals Are Plateauing08:21 – Continuous…

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