# Beyond Programs: The Power of Being Present

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Podcast: [Celebrate Kids Podcast with Dr. Kathy](https://stenobird.com/podcast/celebrate-kids-podcast-with-dr-kathy-253693)
Published: 2026-07-02T10:30:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1375

## Resource

When a child's mental health begins to unravel, our first instinct is often to build better systems. But are systems enough? In this episode of Facing the Dark , Wayne and Dr. Kathy discuss a California school struggling to care for students amid a growing mental health crisis and ask a deeper question: What do children actually need to flourish? They explore why genuine relationships, not simply more programs, remain one of God's primary ways of bringing healing, hope, and resilience to children.

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