# Leon Panetta & Mark Esper

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Podcast: [Ceasefire](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ceasefire-7523525)
Published: 2026-03-13T23:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CSPAN7476368473.mp3?updated=1773430805
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Duration seconds: 3748

## Resource

A discussion with former Obama Defense Secretary Leon Panetta & former Trump Defense Secretary Mark Esper, plus a bipartisan conversation with former Gov. Deval Patrick (D-MA) & former Gov. Bill Haslam (R-TN). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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