# How Top CLOs Are Redefining Legal Leadership with AI, Data, and Strategy

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Podcast: [Careers and the Business of Law](https://stenobird.com/podcast/careers-and-the-business-of-law-6403793)
Published: 2025-08-26T12:32:00+00:00
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## Resource

What separates a legal department that saves money from one that builds competitive advantage? Two powerhouse CLOs, Rishi Varma (Cargill) and Tim Fraser (Toshiba America) - sit down with David Cowen to unpack the shift from legal risk managers to business growth drivers. If you're a legal leader, strategist, or tech-savvy operator, this is essential listening. The future isn't coming. It's here. And these leaders are already in it. Key Topics Covered: The AI Dividend: What it is, how to measure it, and why it's your next performance metric Data as Infrastructure: Why CLOs are racing to eliminate the "search function" and build a legal "brain" OKRs That Matter: How top legal departments align KPIs to business growth, not compliance checklists Tech Stack in Action: Inside the tools (Copilot, GenAI) that are driving real productivity gains today Talent Evolution: What CLOs actually look for in 2025, critical thinking, adaptability, and strategic fluency Cross-Functional Power Moves: Why your next big win requires partnering with your CIO (or CEO) From Perfection to Performance: Why "excellence over perfection" is the new rule of law 🎧 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Share this episode and take your career from now to next! 💡To learn more about the future of legal innovation, visit https://cowengroup.com/ Never eat alone!

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